{"id":5250,"date":"2025-12-10T10:50:23","date_gmt":"2025-12-10T17:50:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/songexploder.net\/?p=5250"},"modified":"2025-12-10T11:02:41","modified_gmt":"2025-12-10T18:02:41","slug":"rian-johnson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/songexploder.net\/rian-johnson","title":{"rendered":"Key Change: Rian Johnson"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"subhead\">Wagner&#8217;s &#8216;Das Rheingold&#8217;<\/div>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/songexploder.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/KeyChange10-RianJohnson.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2160\" height=\"2160\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5251\" srcset=\"https:\/\/songexploder.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/KeyChange10-RianJohnson.jpg 2160w, https:\/\/songexploder.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/KeyChange10-RianJohnson-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/songexploder.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/KeyChange10-RianJohnson-600x600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/songexploder.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/KeyChange10-RianJohnson-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/songexploder.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/KeyChange10-RianJohnson-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/songexploder.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/KeyChange10-RianJohnson-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2160px) 100vw, 2160px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><!-- PRX PLAYER EMBED CODE --><iframe loading=\"lazy\" allow=\"monetization\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" width=\"100%\" style=\"min-width: 300px\" src=\"https:\/\/play.prx.org\/e?ge=prx_93_194d7573-c8db-4380-98d0-a2da51e6fcaa&#038;uf=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed.songexploder.net%2FSongExploder\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><!-- PRX PLAYER EMBED CODE ENDS --><\/p>\n<p><!-- LISTEN LINKS --><\/p>\n<div class=\"download-links\">LISTEN: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/key-change-rian-johnson-on-wagners-das-rheingold\/id788236947?i=1000740709068\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">APPLE<\/a> \u00b7 <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4C7QDZqFwM7KtMkbD8LPUi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">SPOTIFY<\/a> \u00b7 <a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/58a85de5-7ebb-464c-a13e-9d3008deb3bb\/episodes\/ddd2f10e-5787-475e-84c2-334ee104f57d\/song-exploder-key-change-rian-johnson-on-wagner's-'das-rheingold'\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">AMAZON<\/a> \u00b7 <a href=\"https:\/\/pod.link\/songexploder\/episode\/cHJ4XzkzXzE5NGQ3NTczLWM4ZGItNDM4MC05OGQwLWEyZGE1MWU2ZmNhYQ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">OTHER APPS<\/a><\/div>\n<p>My guest today is director <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rian-johnson.com\/\">Rian Johnson,<\/a> which is exciting for me, because I\u2019ve been a huge fan of his  ever since seeing his first feature film, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Brick_(film)\"><em>Brick,<\/em> <\/a> in 2006. Since then, he\u2019s made six more feature films, including <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Looper_(film)\"><em>Looper<\/em> <\/a>in 2012; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi\"><em>Star Wars: The Last Jedi<\/em><\/a> in 2017; the murder mystery <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Knives_Out\"><em>Knives Out<\/em> <\/a>in 2019; and his most recent movie, another in the <em>Knives Out<\/em> series, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wake_Up_Dead_Man\"><em>Wake Up Dead Man,<\/em> <\/a>which is already out in theaters, and comes to Netflix on December 12. I talked to Rian about a piece of music that had a profound impact on him, which was the overture to <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Das_Rheingold\">Das Rheingold <\/a>by <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Richard_Wagner\">Richard Wagner. <\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span class=\"header\">footnotes:<\/span><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/KZTE9MDoaLs?si=YGap0YCSMbckk-YZ\">&#8220;Kill the Wabbit&#8221;<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/La_traviata\">&#8220;La Traviata&#8221;<\/a><br \/>\nFocus Features<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Brothers_Bloom\">The Brothers Bloom<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.operadeparis.fr\/en\/visits\/opera-bastille\">Op\u00e9ra Bastille<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen\">Ring Cycle<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/J._R._R._Tolkien\">J. R. R. Tolkien<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/J._J._Abrams\">J. J. Abrams<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Terrence_Malick\">Terrence Malick<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nathan_Johnson_(musician)\">Nathan Johnson<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Bayreuth_Festspielhaus\">Bayreuth Festival Theatre<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/therestisnoise.com\/wagnerism\/\">Wagnerism: Art and Politics in the Shadow of Music<\/a> by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/contributors\/alex-ross\">Alex Ross<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Wagner&#8217;s &#8216;Das Rheingold&#8217; LISTEN: APPLE \u00b7 SPOTIFY \u00b7 AMAZON \u00b7 OTHER APPS My guest today is director Rian Johnson, which is exciting for me, because I\u2019ve been a huge fan of his ever since seeing his first feature film, Brick, in 2006. 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